Authors: Joan; Barthel
S: | Do you remember cutting your mother? |
P: | Just at her throat. |
S: | You remember seeing blood? |
P: | Yes. |
S: | On her throat? |
P: | No, 'cause when I saw her on the floor I had come back into normality again and I've already blanked out what happened. And I didn't realize what had happened at that point. |
S: | Do you remember jumping on your mother's stomach and legs? |
P: | Yes. |
S: | Do you remember cutting your mother's abdomen? |
P: | No. |
S: | Do you remember doing anything else to your mother? |
P: | No. There were things in there that I was not positive about. |
M: | Well, I'll take this as such and put that he don't recall ⦠|
S: | Now, wait a minute now. Just a minute. You recall cutting your mother's throat? |
P: | Yes. |
S: | You recall seeing blood on your mother's throat? |
P: | No. |
S: | You just said you did! |
P: | I said I recall seeing blood on my mother. First I said I saw her in bed, next I said I saw her on the floor. When I saw her on the floor was when I saw the blood. |
S: | Where did you see the blood? |
P: | Onâit was on her chest and her T-shirt was rolled up to aboutâ |
S: | When did you say that you pushed the T-shirt up over her chest? |
P: | I didn't say that. I never said anything about the T-shirt. I said I saw it pushed up like that. |
S: | Did you push it up over her breasts? |
P: | I don't remember. I'm not playing games now, I'm being as honest as I possibly can with you. |
S: | Mm. Did you take her pants off? |
P: | That I don't know. I may have tried to wash her down. |
S: | Why did you try to wash her down? |
P: | Because of the embarrassment of what I'd done. |
S: | What did you try to wash off? |
P: | Blood, I guess. |
S: | What do you mean, blood, you guess? Did you try to wash off blood? |
P: | Well, what else would I want to wash off? |
S: | I don't know. I'm asking you, blood? What part of the body did you wash? |
P: | That I don't know. |
S: | How did you wash it? |
P: | That I don't know. I don't remember taking her pants off. |
S: | Well, how did you wash her if you didn't take her pants off? |
P: | I don't know. The pants were wet though. |
S: | Do you remember taking her panties off? |
P: | No, I don't. |
S: | The pants were wet or you wet the pants? |
P: | The pants were wet, the police officer showed me. |
S: | Now never mind the police officer. I'm asking you, from your own experience. Were the pants wet? |
P: | I don't even remember the pants from my own experience. |
S: | Well, you just said that you took the pants off to wash the blood off your mother, didn't you? |
P: | I said I must have washed the blood off my mother. I didn't say I remembered taking the pants off her to do it. |
S: | Where'd you get the water? |
P: | That I don't know either. |
S: | Were you in the bathroom at any time? |
P: | I don't know. |
S: | Did you take her panties off? |
P: | That I don't know. That's all blank to me. |
S: | Did you have blanks before in your life? |
P: | No. |
S: | Pete, why should I believe that you have blanks now? |
P: | I don't know. |
Eddie Dickinson, Peter's friend, asked his mother on Saturday afternoon if he could go to the barracks to try to see Peter. She told him he'd better not. “Peter's closer to the Madows and the Belignis than to us,” she told Eddie. “I don't think we should interfere.”
Marie Dickinson was worried, though. Her family lived just down the road from the Gibbons' house, on Route 63, and all day Saturday they could see police searching the area, in and out of the house, digging up the septic tank, raking through the fallen leaves at the side of the road. Once her husband went out and spoke to one of the troopers.
“Where is Peter now, do you know?” Bill asked.
“No, I don't know,” the trooper said.
Marie called the barracks. “We're not through with him yet,” somebody told her. When she called several more times, the answer was the same. Marie thought maybe they just didn't want to give out information on the phone, and she told Bill she could understand that. Finally, Saturday night, she told Eddie he could go down.
Eddie drove down and saw the man at the front desk, Trooper Calkins.
“Can I see Peter?” Eddie asked.
“Sure, you can see Peter,” Trooper Calkins said. He paused, then he smiled. “Only Peter isn't here.”
“My God, what's going on?” Marie asked Bill, when Eddie reported back. “Where could he be?”
With so many people calling and asking, messages zigzagging and overlapping, some confusion was bound to occur. And some troopersâperhaps the trooper to whom Bill spoke, the man raking leavesâreally didn't know where Peter was. But there also seemed to be more involved than confusion and not knowing. When Barbara's cousin had asked whether anybody in the area was looking out for Peterâ“Doesn't anybody care?”âshe'd been told nobody had been asking for him, nobody cared.
By Saturday night, Marie Dickinson was badly upset. “What do you suppose is going on?” she asked Bill again. “It's as though Peter has just walked off the edge of the earth.”
S: | You definitely remember coming into the house and seeing your mother on the top, and you definitely remember cutting your mother's throat with a straight razor, and you definitely remember seeing blood on her throat when she was lying on the floor. |
P: | Yes. |
S: | Do you remember noticing that her throat was cut when she was lying on the floor? |
P: | No. |
S: | Did you notice the cut in her abdomen when she was lying on the floor? |
P: | No, I didn't. |
S: | Did you notice the condition of her T-shirt when she was lying on the floor? |
P: | I noticed it was rolled up. |
S: | OK. Now, get what he says in the statement. He came into the house, he looked and saw his mother in the cot. Then saw her on the floor. Then he cutâhe remembers cutting his mother's throat with a straight razor. That he remembers seeing blood on his mother's throat while she was lying on the floor. |
P: | Yes. |
S: | And you were jumping on your mother's legs and stomach. |
P: | Well, wait a minute before you write anything. I remember the blood on my mother's throat but I remember that clearly from my original statement. The blood. |
S: | How many straight razors do you own? |
P: | One. |
S: | Now, you remember slashing once at your mother's throat with a straight razor, right? |
P: | Right. |
S: | Are we through playing headgames now, Pete? |
P: | No more headgames. |
S: | Look, if we can help youâand we can help youâwe will help you. |
P: | OK. That I understand. That's why I'm doing this now. Jim, when this goes to court will it be considered temporary insanity? |
M: | I don't know, Pete. |
P: | After having this on my record is there any chance I can still get on the state police? |
M: | All depends on what happens. That was with the straight razor you used for the airplanes? |
P: | Mm-hm. |
M: | Where was that razor? |
P: | It was on the living-room table. |
M: | You jumped on your mother's legs? |
P: | Mm-hm. |
M: | What else do you remember? Also remember jumping onâlet's seeâremember slashing at my mother's throat with a straight razor I used for model airplanes. This was on the living-room table. I also remember jumping on my mother's legs. |
P: | That's really just about it. Because I'm not sure about washing her off. |
M: | Did you say something about kicking her or something? |
P: | I don't think so. |
M: | All right. How about blood? |
P: | OK. Do you have that in thereâthe area where it seems like a lapse in time? Know what I mean? |
M: | No, not here. |
P: | Well, that would be next. Could you put little quotes in between the part from where I was slashing my mother's throat to where I jumped on her legs? You know, so you can tell that section is the stuff Iâthat I'm digging up. |
M: | All right. |
P: | Now, the nextâfrom here on in it's ahâI saw blood on her ah, on her ah, chest and on her throat and face. And I think it was on her T-shirt too. And the T-shirt was rolled up. |
M: | Saw blood on her faceâ |
P: | And throat. |
M: | âand blood on her T-shirt? |
P: | Mm-hm. I think. I'm pretty sure. |
M: | And the shirt you say was rolled up? |
P: | Yeah, rolled up to the bottom of her breast about. |
M: | All right. Then what? |
P: | Then I went to the phone and from there on in it's the same as my original statement. |
M: | OK. Pete, read it over for me please. |
P: | Sign here? |
M: | Sign right besideâwant to lean on this? |
P: | No, this is OK. |
M: | OK. I want you to do something else here. |
P: | Want me to initial. |
M: | Here. I want you to initial up here and over here. |
P: | I've got more initials written down now. |
M: | Well, this is for protection. This is so later nobody can say that I added anything or deleted anything out of it. Now, down here at the bottom. |
P: | Here? |
M: | Yes. All right. Now, I want you to sign this page here. |
P: | Are we leaving yet or can I speak to the lieutenant, possibly alone again? Before we leave? |
M: | Let me just check to make sure I don't have any mistakes here. You want to speak to Lieutenant Shay by himself? |
P: | Mm-hm. |
M: | OK. |
P: | Getting chilly now, isn't it? |
M: | Yeah, it's probably cool when you get outside and you don't have a jacket, do you? |
P: | No. I'll survive. Can I have another cigarette, Jim? |
M: | You need a match? |
P: | I've got some. |
M: | Throw this in the trash. Hey, Lieutenant! |
P: | Well, I just stated it there and I signed it. |
S: | Pardon me? |
P: | I've done it and I've signed it. And, now I want to speak to you about some kind of psychiatric help. When you and I spoke man to man you said you'd help me.⦠Is there any possible way I could possibly live with your family if you had the room? |
S: | Well, it would be a rather unusual turn of events. |
P: | I've taken a liking to you, a kind of father image, and I trust you. And I know you're gonna do as much for me as you possibly can. |
S: | Peter, I will do as much for you as I can. I have some friends in the psychiatric field. One fellow in particular I have in mind I would like you to talk with. Um, a psychiatrist that I think might be just what the doctor ordered. |
P: | I would like to live with a family, like a complete family for a while anyway. When I was at Belignis, they treated me just like they did the rest of the kids. And that's what I enjoyed. |
S: | Pete, let me read this statement. |