Read Close to the Knives Online
Authors: David Wojnarowicz
D: Yeah, but in New York he apparently tried to kill himself a few times.
J: Yeah. I think that he was a beautiful person inside but he had this insecurityâas superior as he was spiritually I think he felt very alone and unable to connect with anybody and have a relationship including sex. He was great because he could just make things out of nothing; his music and drawings and cut-outs and writings.
D: What do you feel about death?
J: I have mixed feelings about it. While I'm here I want to make what I can out of it but sometimes I feel a desperation ⦠death would be an end to the boredom ⦠but ⦠death is an escape, an alternativeâI'm sure it's a great experience, I mean all the experiences you hear about people who've died and come backâimmediate peace and, depending on their spiritual beliefs, some people see their god or angels or choirs or buddha or whatever. I don't know what
I'm
going to see, but people seem to get their ultimate spiritual fantasy when they dieâmine would be â¦hahaha.
D: I'd heard that you died a number of times.
J: Three times that I can remember.
D: So you might be dead now. ALRIGHT DAKOTA, YOU CAN COME OUT OF THE BACK ROOM NOW.
J: Hahaha.
D: Do you remember anything from when you died?
J: I never had any mystical experiences. I was so drugged up that I couldn'tâalthough I guess if your spirit came out of your body it wouldn't be drugged. I have no recollections at all. I was out for over a day at one time and I was in a coma. I stopped breathing and my heart was beating irregularly and they thought it was gonna stop and I was on a respirator. I remember waking up and they had everythingâI was in intensive care and they had every function, like, they had a catheter in my dick and they had tubes in my nose; they had tubes everywhere, and when I first came out of it I had all these wires attached to my body to monitor my pulse and wires on my lungs to monitor my breathing and all this high-tech equipment like graphs behind me and the doctors told Laura, “Ask him if he knows where he is,” and I looked over one shoulder and then looked over the other shoulder and I said; “I'm on Star Trek.” Thats all I remember. It was too many combinations of alcohol and chemicals.
D: What was the last thing you remember before blacking out?
J: Breaking a mirror.
TAPE RECORDING:
D: What did you feel about Dakota possibly murdering that guy?
J
OE
: I thought it was great because I've wanted to do it a million times. I still have fantasies. My friend Keith has an AK-47; y'know, it's a real accurate sniper rifle, and many times I've sat there in my apartment when the dealers are out there yelling and I wonder if I shot my little pistol out the window if I could hit them. And the AK-47 was there and I thought out every single way; I even wrote it out so I know what I'm doingâtry to think of every single way I could do it and get away with it: shoot those drug dealers standing across the street. I figured if I could just shoot one or two of them standing in the doorway out there yelling, that the other ones would get the idea and quit, y'know? Dakota did itâI wish I could do it. My big problem with justifying killing drug dealers is that I once sold drugs. I would like to see my fantasies become real. I mean, look at all these killersâthey have a tremendous fascination, depending on who they're killing. I have a fascination for the S.L.A., even though it was a totally bogus organization, just because I can't
believe
people actually carried it outâlike the Weathermen, they actually did things like that. It's about having a purpose; quitting drugs gave me a purpose â¦
⦠Another thing I was thinking about is that thing whereâsay, with Dakota killing somebodyâwell, if somebody says to Dakota, “That's crazy ⦠that's insane that you did that,” or if somebody kills someone else or somebody robs someone else and a person says, “How can you do that? That's crazy, that's insane, because that doesn't fit into the rules of society as we know it.” If that's the case, then how come not everybody who does a violent act can come up on an insanity plea? How come the rules change when it's a thought or you verbalize it. Then people say, “That's crazy,” if you
do
it, then it's a crime.
Then
you're not crazy; it's a crime and you must be punished for it.
You know, in theory, you can't punish somebody who is crazy. Because nobody knows what they're doing until they do it ⦠and then they might have ⦠I mean, premeditation is a very gray area that gets interpreted by the powers that be.
TAPE RECORDING:
D
AVID
: Okayâso, this guy killed somebody. What did you feel?
J
OHNNY
: I felt really sad that he could do that. I knew what a breach of his own morals that was, and the fact that he went that farâI just saw it as a point of no return from that point on. I knew he'd be living in a lot of guilt. Some people can kill somebody and not have those feelings, not have that guilt. The ability to do violence is there to some extent in everybody unless you're insane. But in somebody like Dakota, who was, on one level, super-rationalâI could just imagine what he was living with. When he grew up he was the school geek and then later he was completely miserable doing drugs and feeling unsatisfied with his life because he had all these gifts and there was no place in the world, in the society, for people to embrace that. Not having any relationships, not being touchedâit's a terrible weight to carry. The thing about being attracted to examine violence and murder and stuff like that is partly the frustration of dealing with this structure imposed on us and feeling sick of all of it, and the other part is actually an intellectual and spiritual curiosity. Death is curious; it's the ultimate ending. You have to look at Dakota's writings to understand what he thought about death.
TAPE RECORDING:
J
OE
: ⦠The people who were horrified; I'm sure if they were walking down the streets and saw somebody getting the fuck beat out of them they'd just keep right on walking. They wouldn't run up and just start pulling people off. It's primitive instinctâthere's killers inside us and that information's suppressed by society. Say, if you were in the old west, and somebody stole your horseâyou could hang them. It depends on how high in the hierarchy you are; whether you get away with it or are allowed to do it or not. In the south it was justifiable homicide if you shot your wife's lover; or in France if a woman killed her husband you could get off with “crime of passion.” The rules always reflect the protection of the powers that be. That's the way it's always been. D.: Do you think Dakota killed himself because of guilt over stabbing that guy?
J
OE
: No way.
D: Other people I've talked to say they didn't think Dakota could shoulder the weight of crossing that line.
J
OE
: No way. Maybe ⦠Iâ
D: People are telling me all these stories of him not killing roaches and this kind of reverence for life and it seems like this schism between those descriptions and then this thing where he researches how to stab somebody the correct wayâwell maybe there isn't really a schism, I mean all things contain their opposites within them. People who feel worthless all the time sometimes have a moment where they feel a great sense of power or self-worth; it's just a spectrum between opposites. Plus, he had ripped off Johnny and he was getting paranoid and had to leave town. Johnny showed me these endless letters where the guilt for ripping him off was unbelievable; it was to the point where he wrote this one letter sayingâI don't know if it was something in his magic or whatâbut he said that judgment had been passed; the sentence had been passed and that they weren't going to give him the chinese rope or something. From what I understood he wasn't going to have to commit suicide but that the only way he could resolve having ripped off his best friend was that Johnny would have to stab him and everything would be okay. I don't know if Johnny answered him but there were other letters saying please forgive me.
J
OE
: I think I blew it, too, when I wrote him that letter saying, “Lay off all this homo shit.” That might've just slammed the door in his face, too.
⦠My last contact with him was when I'd write him all these letters and he'd send me all this stuff from texas, so it was when I was doing all this speed; I was high all the time and doing all this kinko sex and I had all these fucking sicko pictures of me with all these various people, and me naked and various people doing weird sex and shit and I sent him this great big stack of porno picturesâlots of nude pictures of me, and the response from him was he started writing me all this homo stuff, all about this obsessive homo stuff he wanted to do with me. My head was likeâI don't wanna hear about it; I wrote him a letter saying, “Man I really love ya but stop writing me all this obsessive sex stuff because I don't want to do it with you and it ain't ever gonna happen”âand all I got back from him was this letter that said, “Sheeesh. What a grouch.” That was the last I'd heard from him. I can't believe it, I just can't fuckin' believe it. This letter makes it more real; I don't know ⦠I start crying â¦
D: So you don't think his suicide had anything to do with remorse or guilt?
J
OE
: I think it was more about looking down the line at endless remorse, and not waiting long enough for that remorse to go away â¦
DREAM:
I woke up and stepped out of a room into a second floor hallway dark with morning. All along the hall, ending at the top of the staircase that leads down, are all these street people: poor people lying in beat-up sleeping bags or under old frayed and dirty blankets. Some of them stir slightly as I pass them, walking towards the stairs. I stop halfway down the curved staircase. It's a mansion with huge ceiling-to-floor windows and behind the windows there is the clearest wintery kind of light I have ever seen, and it is coming through the bare branches of large trees growing just outside. The light comes through the windows, and as I turn to follow its path into the enormous room, I see a grizzled and filthy vagrant. Under the large chandeliers he is dancing this odd waltz-like dance, his arms upraised in a classical elegance, slowly turning in the rays of light.
POSTSCRIPT
Late morning winter light bathes everything in the landscape, giving it an apparition of warmth. I'm sitting at a second-story table of a restaurant, behind the plate glass windows of some crummy piece of architecture, feeling dark. Maybe it's what we call “sadness,” maybe it is darker than that, and all I can think about is the end of my life.
In the far distance, at the edge of the runways, is a thin wedge of horizon made up of dead brush, maybe treesâit is formless, other than the enormous rusted oil refinery thing and the couple of odd buildings made up of blond concrete and shadows. What does it all mean? What's going on in this head of mine? What's going on in this body, in these hands that want to wander that guy's legs over there?
I just had a fight with my boyfriend in the middle of the airport, twenty minutes before boarding a plane to Mexico. I console myself with the sight of the construction crew in the fenced-off area of the runway asphalt. I can count eight or nine of them in winter drag and helmets, and I feel like shit; years ago I could start thinking of what the interiors of those construction trailers look like, filled with drafting tables or cheap oak furniture and calendars and ringing phones; I would have had fantasies of one of the crew taking me inside and locking the door, a ratty couch over to the side, and him removing his sweater and thermal undershirt all in one move, so I could reach over and put his sweat on my palmsâbut that is a drift of thought that takes a lot of effort right now and I don't care about making that effort. What does it mean, what for and why? The red tail-fins of some of the planes parked nearby have white crosses on their sides, and I think of ambulancesâoh, love is wounding me and I'm afraid death is making me lose touch with the faces of those I love; I'm losing touch with the current of timelessness that drove me through all my life 'til now. Maybe I won't grow old with a fattening belly and some old dog toothless and tongue hanging. I won't grow old and maybe I want to. Maybe nothing can save me despite all my dreams as a kid and all my dreams as a young guy having fallen to their knees inside my head.
I wished for years and years that I could separate into ten versions of myself in order to give each person I loved a part of myself forever, and have some left over to drift across landscapes and maybe even to go into death or areas which were deadly, and have enough of me to survive the deaths of one or two of me. I thought this was appropriate for all of my desires but I never figured out how to manage it and now I am in danger of losing the only one of me around. I'm in danger of losing my life and what gesture can convey or stop this possibility? What gesture of hands or mind can shut it down in its invisible tracks? Nothing. And that saddens me.
I can't let go of Dakota's suicide; he followed me on the flight to Miami, and now light turns to dusk and I'm sitting in a replica of the earlier waiting room until the next plane begins to board. My boyfriend Tom is wandering the billions of airport shops and I am smoking a cigarette and thinking about death. A man on the balcony takes a Kodak picture of the sunset and uses a flashâwhat does he hope to illuminate? If I could, I'd descend the stairs and run with my eyes closed across those runways to the far horizon and break through the screen of dusk as if it were a large piece of paper held vertically, and enter a whole other century or life. If I could, I'd jump into a warm ocean and swim until I disappeared like a cartoon dot on the horizon.
Once, years ago, in a warehouse along the hudson river, I wrote on an abandoned wall about a man who flew a single-prop airplane out over the ocean until it ran out of gas, and I envied the man so much it hurt. That was years ago; does that mean up until now I have been living on borrowed time? Should I count backwards like the Mayans so that I never get older? Will the moon in the sky listen to my whispers as I count away?